I remember when I was about 10 years old my mother thought she was doing a nice gesture by having a non Halloween party on Halloween evening for all the J Dub children. All the J Dub parents in our congregation had no problem sending their children to the party. It was lots of fun without the Halloween connection, yet one of the children's parent, that had no issue allowing their child to attend, complained to the congregation overseer. My mother got a call from him raking her over the coals about having a "Halloween" party, which was the last time my mother tried to do anything nice like this. It is why I have no use for most of those two faced, hypocritical bastards.
William Penwell
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Totally-NOT-Holiday parties
by neat blue dog inanybody else in congregations that have parties in october for kids to dress in costumes and pick pumpkins, parties in november with turkey, fixings and candles, and parties in december with red and green colors and baking similar looking snow-themed desserts?
(not to mention the spiffy new wardrobes for easter.
i mean memorial season.
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Matt Dillahunty From The Atheist Experience vs A Jehovah's Witness
by pale.emperor inthis was cringe worthy, and yet hilarious to watch.
i'm sensing that this was a person studying with jws because she's so bad at defending the very basics.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0rcmjczeb8.
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As to Armageddon being on that list, it is number 9 (of the 24).
"The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in
Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its
beginning dating from October, 1874. Zion's Watch Tower, 1892, Jan 15 p.23
The ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ii (Rev. 16:14),
which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of
earth’s present rulership, is already commenced. The Time Is at
Hand (1907), p 101The JW now do not know that the 1914 thing was a failed prophecy by the organisations 1st president CT Russell. When 1914 came and the end hadn't come, Russell had to change his prophecy and said that date 1914 was still a marked year but it was only the beginning of the end of the system of things. The modern Adventist movement that the JW are an offspring from had it founding with Miller, who predicted the end in 1844. I think it was a disciple of Miller's, Barbour that went off and with CT Russell founded the WT society and they predicted the end a number of times before 1914 date.
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Matt Dillahunty From The Atheist Experience vs A Jehovah's Witness
by pale.emperor inthis was cringe worthy, and yet hilarious to watch.
i'm sensing that this was a person studying with jws because she's so bad at defending the very basics.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0rcmjczeb8.
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This woman can't be a very good JW as they would not phone into a talk show like this. She just made herself look like a complete idiot.
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Is there a new Date by the Watchtower for the End of System?
by William Penwell innot sure if this topic has being covered recently.. my son asked me a question if the jw's have in the recent months being pushing a new end date to the system?
he was telling me about how his mother has being on him again about the urgency of the end of this system of things and he needs to do something asap.
i told him i am not aware of any new dates as i have being away from the cult for over 20 years.
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Atlantis said ,
Give credit to john.prestor cause I am busy with a slice of pizza!
This Generation
https://beroeans.net/2016/05/26/theyre-doing-it-again/
At the 5-minute mark, Flodin says:
“When our current understanding first came out, some quickly speculated. They said, “Well, what if a person in his forties was anointed in 1990? He would then be a part of the second group of this generation. Theoretically, he could live into his eighties. Does that mean this old system is going to continue, possibly till 2040? Well, indeed that was speculative. And, ah, Jesus…remember he said that we weren’t supposed to find a formula of the time of the end. In Matthew 24:36, just two verses later—two verses later—he said, “concerning that day and hour, nobody knows.”
“And even if the speculation is a possibility, there’d be very few in that category. And consider this significant point: There’s nothing, nothing, in Jesus’ prophecy that suggests those in the second group alive at the time of the end would all be old, decrepit and close to death. There’s no reference to age.”
“Well, Jesus said simply that this generation would all pass away…would not all pass away… before he comes to full kingly power…our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, Jesus’ prophecy could reach its culmination this year and be absolutely accurate. Not all of the second group of this generation would have passed away.”
Here Flodin mildly rebukes the reasoning that some use to set an upper limit to the length of the generation, terminating in 2040. ‘This is speculative’, he says. This appears like reasonable thinking, but then he immediately undermines his own logic when he next says, “even if the speculation is a possibility, there’d be very few in that category.”
What are we to take from that?
https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/pub-jwbmw_201511_3_VIDEOSounds very much like Franz, from 1966 he said the following,
'What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?' asked Brother Franz. 'Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah's witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that.
This is coded language to the rank and file that the end of the system will come by 1975 but then they can say after the fact they never said that.
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Is there a new Date by the Watchtower for the End of System?
by William Penwell innot sure if this topic has being covered recently.. my son asked me a question if the jw's have in the recent months being pushing a new end date to the system?
he was telling me about how his mother has being on him again about the urgency of the end of this system of things and he needs to do something asap.
i told him i am not aware of any new dates as i have being away from the cult for over 20 years.
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William Penwell
Thanks for all the feedback.
The WT date of 2034 or 2040 sounds very much like what we heard for the build up for 1975. The WT has not come right out and set a date but have hinted at a date so that when it comes and goes they will just blame the rank and file members on being over zealous and going ahead of Jehova. This way they try to keep those ones in as they work toward a date and bring new recruits in. Fool me once.... .
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Is there a new Date by the Watchtower for the End of System?
by William Penwell innot sure if this topic has being covered recently.. my son asked me a question if the jw's have in the recent months being pushing a new end date to the system?
he was telling me about how his mother has being on him again about the urgency of the end of this system of things and he needs to do something asap.
i told him i am not aware of any new dates as i have being away from the cult for over 20 years.
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Not sure if this topic has being covered recently.
My son asked me a question if the JW's have in the recent months being pushing a new end date to the system?
He was telling me about how his mother has being on him again about the urgency of the end of this system of things and he needs to do something ASAP. I told him I am not aware of any new dates as I have being away from the cult for over 20 years. His mother is a real nut, so who knows maybe its all in her head.....
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1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?
by minimus infor years , we were told to wait until 1975!.
the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.
were you around during this “momentous “ time??
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One of my good friends decided to not take a free scholarship because 1975 was around the corner and he decided to Pioneer and make sure that people knew the end was at hand. Everyone that I knew of that knew him would plead with him to please take advantage of his football skills and get out of the religion and and live a prosperous life. He would laugh at them until about 1980. Definitely didn’t look like the end was that imminent after all. Last I heard he was a milkman and suffers from major illnesses and he doesn’t have a pot to pee in.
This is one thing I regret. I love to play ice hockey and would have loved to pursue my dreams of playing professional hockey. We were not allowed to pursue our dreams so I did not follow up on that. Maybe I was not good enough to play professional hockey but I will always wonder if I could have.
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1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?
by minimus infor years , we were told to wait until 1975!.
the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.
were you around during this “momentous “ time??
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Twenty years from now it will be little more than a legend, with only a few octogenarian JWs who lived through it, and who listens to old people? The myth of "brothers running ahead" will be cemented in place.
What I have now read was CT Russell also said that 1914 would be the end of the system but when it came and went without any indecent, the society did their revisionist BS. I recall in the 60's and 70's how some of the old Bible Students that fell away after 1914 were looked at as apostates because they remembered the false prophecies. We were told then not to believe these people because they are all lies. Now what I know, they were not lies but more of the societies revisionist of what the society said then.
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1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?
by minimus infor years , we were told to wait until 1975!.
the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.
were you around during this “momentous “ time??
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Of course the quote was "Stay Alive until 75!"
I remember and elderly brother, kind man that everyone in the congregation loved. He was dying of cancer in 1974 and he would say "if only I can hold out till 1975, then I will be in the new system and cured of my sickness." Poor man died in 1975 still holding onto hat hope.
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1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?
by minimus infor years , we were told to wait until 1975!.
the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.
were you around during this “momentous “ time??
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I like many on here lived through those years and yes the hype was there but if you talk to J Dubs now they have a revisionist view as to what happened or didn't happen. That was the last straw for me.